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6 Months After Leaving School I Can See Some of the Differences

January 28th, 2008 Comments off

So it’s now about 6 months after I left school and I can now see some of the differences between having an education and not having one. The biggest difference is money. Yep, over the course of the last 6 months I have come to realize that I am in the very bottom spectrum in regards to salary for what I do.

Now I cannot attribute the lower pay that I receive directly to the fact that I do not have a degree, even a degree from an online school. I mean this is the first position that I have received in this new career path that I am in so starting some where near the bottom is expected. It is just that the people around me make a good deal of money more then me.

So there are a couple of different ways to look at this. The first is if I had gone to college right out of high school that I would be somewhere near the rest of my peers that I work with right now making the same type of money. But that did not happen and cannot be changed. That is what I would like my kids to do and I will do everything I can to try and make sure that they are able to do that.

The next perspective is that I could go back to school now and I could be “caught up” over time. This is what I was trying to do but when you get older you have other responsibilities (like family) that can (and should) take priority over things outside of work and family.

There is also the whole cost factor that you needs to consider in regards to going back to school. I raked up almost $10K is school loans for the couple semesters that I was going. When it was all said and done it would have been about $40K that I would have need to pay back. For me I had to compare how much potential income the degree was going to get me verses the cost. When I looked at it I was not entirely sure that the cost justified the sacrifice of time with my family and cost of repaying the loans.

The final perspective is staying at my current education level and putting my efforts into doing my job really well. With this decision you look to yourself to make personal improvements in order to advance in your job. For me that was getting more familiar with what we sold and volunteering to take on more responsibility along with my standard duties.

I think this aspect needs to happen whether you are going to school or not. Even if you have a degree you still need to bust your butt to get noticed and move up the food chain in your company. I have done this where I am at right now and have begun to take on some higher level projects. For me not having the extra burden of having to go to school has allowed me to take on this little extra at work without impacting my family the way that school did.

I believe that the experience that I am gaining will over shadow the fact that I do not have a degree when I am out in the job market again someday. In fact it was my experience (8 years of experience) that got me into this job in the first place as opposed to a degree. There are several job posting that want a degree or equivalent job experience. To most companies that is interchangeable.

I guess I said all of the above to say this – your best bet is to go to school right out of high school. If you don’t do it then it only gets more difficult as you get older. You gain more responsibilities as you get older and you will pretty much always be behind those who did go to college right out of high school. For me I accept where I am at and will do the best with it that I can. Will I go back to school? There is not a very good chance of that, I have accepted where I am at and I think I will get more return on my investment of time and money by not going to school.

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Quitting School – 3 Months Later

September 10th, 2007 Comments off

So here I am 3 months after my decision to quit school. Where am I? How are things? do I regret it.

Here is the break down:

Time – my time has now focused more on my family and that strain has been eliminated – this is a good thing and I (and my family) are much happier. It has also taken the strain off at work. I now do not have to rush out at specified times in order to make class every week. Finally it has allowed me to pick up some side work that has actually been very profitable. Coupled with that my blogging revenue is steadily rising which has opened up more doors financially.

So the final question is – do I regret it? No I do not. I have to be candid though, it has only been 3 months. I think the only time that regret will possibly creep in is when I am need of a different job. I have never had this happen before and have never heard of this happing to anyone but it could be a possibility.

I think as I get older I am beginning to come to terms with who I am as a result of the past decisions that I have made. When I was younger I did not go to college – that’s just the way it is. Would a degree have made life easier? Probably but that time has passed. Right now I need to concentrate of developing the skills and talents that I have right now and making those profitable for me. Unfortunately school cannot do that.

So the moral? Go to school when you are young. If you don’t it will definitely be harder (to go to school) when you are older and there is a good chance you will not go at all.

Can you be happy with life if you do not go? I am. I am comfortable with where I am in life and understand that I am here based on my past decisions. If anything seeing this result has helped me to make better decisions for my future and the future of my kids. Are they going to college? You bet. I want them to be better then me and I think college will help them do that.

Enough said.

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September 6th, 2007 Comments off

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I Am Quitting School

May 31st, 2007 Comments off

I know it is so weird to do all of the work just to get into school and then 2 semesters later quit but I have to do what I have to do.

The main reason for my departure from the land of higher education is the impact it is having on my family and I. Having to put in the extra time in the form of a couple nights a week was wearing me out. When I did have time to spend with my wife and kids I was grumpy and tired so the time was not the best.

Another reason that got me to this point was evaluating the ROI (Return On Investment). It was looking as though I was going to invest 3 years of my life and and $40-$50K on this education. That is a pretty significant investment for anyone. The question I had to ask myself was this – what am I going to get out of? Well I already am in the career that I want to be – Product Management – and I have a fall back of Web Design and Development. I am covered pretty well so this was looking to not be the wisest investment of my time and money.

In my current position I have room to grow and develop and really learn the ropes of being a Product Manager. I believe that if I take the time and effort that I was going to put into school and put it into my job then I am going to get more of a return then if I was in school. There is a lot to learn at my present job and if I am on top of my game I can excel here.

The final reason that I quit school was that I dreaded it, hated it in fact. I do not know what it was but I really did not like to go. Every time it was time for class I could find a million reasons not to go. If I actually made it to class I would be there thinking of all the things that I could be doing if I were not in class. That is sad especially because I was paying to sit there! I know that this is sort of a maturity issue but when it comes down to it this is a me issue. This is just the way that I am and I have to deal with me and utilize me the best I can for the best results.

Final Thoughts

I looked at school as an investment, tried it out, weighed the cost of the investment verses the return, and made what I believe is a good investing decision. There are many factors that need to be considered when going back to school – your current occupation, family, and financial situation. You then need to prioritize those things and make your decisions based on the results.

I think college is something that you should really strive for right out of school. I am going to push my kids to do that. When you are young and do not have any work experience school is the thing that can get you in the door to the career that you want. When you are older experience in a particular field usually trumps school alone or is considered an equivalent. The current position that I am in required a Bachelors degree and preferred a Masters degree but I had 8 years experience in the field so my experience was considered equal to a degree.

The only time that I think getting your degree when you are older may make sense is if you aren’t really in a “career” at the time (doing whatever jobs) and you want to establish a career.

Now I am off to pay the couple of student loans that I have acquired in my little experiment.

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No More DeVry – Next Semester University of Phoenix

May 22nd, 2007 Comments off

That’s it, earlier this week I went to University of Phoenix and filled out my application, paid my fee, and changed my FASFA to UoP for next semester. I had filled my wife in on the differences between DeVry and University of Phoenix and she agreed that UoP was the place to be.

The extra added bonus is that I have 25 units at this time which puts me as a second year student at UoP as opposed to a first year student at DeVry. This makes a difference because I will actually qualify for a little more financial aid as a second year student. If all of my figures are right I should end up with about $1000 extra money which would be refunded back to me. This money would go towards paying off the new Mac I just bought.

I probably would have been better of by going to UoP in the first place but I had not looked into them. I as kind of at a cross roads in life at the time and just needed to get into school ASAP so thing really did work out since DeVry got me started so quick.

Anyway, I do not have my classes yet but will update here once I get them.

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I Went to University of Phoenix Today

May 8th, 2007 Comments off

The experience that I have had with the faculty at DeVry really got to me yesterday and prompted me to look at greener pastures. The first place that I checked out was University of Phoenix. I went to their website and requested a call from a counselor.

I got the call this morning and met with the counselor during my lunch hour. It was a good meeting.

UP (University of Phoenix) is a little different then DeVry in a couple of areas that has prompted me to consider switching. The first is that they do not operate on a semester based layout. Classes are 5 weeks long and you only take one class at a time and are considered a full-time student. At DeVry their classes are 8 weeks long and a semester is 16 weeks. You have to take 3-4 class every semester to be full time. My financial aid only covers enough to take 1 class every 8 weeks and therefore I am considered part time. With UP my financial aid will their 5 weeks classes so I can go “full time” and finish sooner.

The other thing that is different at UP is that their online classes are actually cheaper then their in-house class. This is the opposite at DeVry. At DeVry you can take online class but they cannot exceed 50% of the classes you take or they charge you more. The one catch is that the lower price at UP only applies to the lower tier class which account for about 2/3 of the classes that you need to take. The upper tier is more expensive then the standard in house classes (it ends up being cheaper at UP in the long run).

The two items above are pretty significant to me because 1.) I am only going to school part time right now and it is going to take me forever at this rate to finish, and 2.) I think that online classes will be easier for me as my schedule gets out of control sometimes and missing class is a probability.

The final difference that I feel between University of Phoenix and DeVry is that UP seems to be more established in the Austin area. Their facility is much larger and does not appear to be a satellite campus like DeVry in Austin is.

If I decide to switch I won’t start taking classes at UP until July since that is when the 2007-2008 Financial Aid kicks in as it would be really messy to try and do it sooner. I am going to discuss it with my wife before making a decision (that is one thing they don’t teach you in school ;-) ).

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Dropped – Advanced PC Applications with Lab

May 8th, 2007 Comments off

That’s right – only 30 minutes into the class I am dropping. There is a combination of reason for this. I guess the main reason is that I had a little run-in with the professor concerning missing class last week.

At first she did not want to let me make up the assignment at all and then she relented somewhat and offered to let me turn it in by Wednesday with a 5 point reduction. In all honesty that was fine with me and for the most part generous on her part. But, when I went to class tonight she was having everyone do part of their homework out of the book in class. My book barely shipped out today so I doubted that I would be able to get it in time to do last weeks homework and this weeks also.

So I headed to the admin office.

I ended up dropping this class and picking up the next level of Algebra in its place. Since I am still in the “math” mode I should do well in the class. I’m probably going to send back the books when I get them to save some $$$$$.

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New Class – Advanced PC Applications with Lab

May 6th, 2007 Comments off

My new class started last week and I missed it as I was out of town on business. The class is Advanced PC Applications with Lab which is a class on advanced uses on Microsoft Excel and Access. I have used both for years now but from my experience there is always a new trick or shortcut to be learned by taking a class.

ince this is a class who’s subject I am pretty familiar with this semester should be pretty easy – if I can make it to class. Also, I do not have my book yet so I am not able to do this week’s homework. I have an email into my Professor so hopefully she will cut me some slack and either give me more time to complete this week’s homework or let me borrow a book.

Either way I will be working with numbers like I was in my last class but Excel will be doing the crunching this time.

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I Am Done with Intermediate Algebra!

April 21st, 2007 Comments off

I got to class this morning about 10am to take my chapter test and my final. I wish I could tell you that I breezed both and was out of there in record time but that is not the case. I ended up having to take each test multiple times.

With the chapter test I was up late last night studying on my own and was just getting by in doing the homework. When I got to class this morning everything that I studied last night was a vague memory. I ended up taking the chapter test 3 times with the scores around, 60%, 70%, and then finally a little above 80%. The reason why I took it 3 times is that you have to score at least 80% in order to move to the next test. The good thing was that by the third test I had a pretty good handle on how to do the different problems for that chapter.

On the final I did really well on the items that were on the previous test (I better of) but then my memory had faded on how to do several of the other problems so I missed a lot of them. The first time I took the final I got 62%. Again you have to get at least 80% in order to be done.

This time around though I was smart and went back to each of the problems that I got wrong and wrote down the problem and the correct answer. See each time you take the test it has just slight variations of the same problems so if you know how one answer is supposed to look you can figure out how a similar problem should be solved.

This time around whenever I came to one of the types of problems that I had gotten wrong before I was able to see how to come to the correct answer. It really help. I ended up finishing the last test in have the time of the previous test and got a 90% on it. That is the highest score that I got an any of the test for the whole class.

Anyway, I am really happy that I am finally done with that class. I know that it is just the beginning of the Math classes that I have to take but I feel better about taking those classes now.

Now I have a week off and I am going on vacation!

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Only 2 Tests to Go and I Am Done with Algebra!

April 21st, 2007 Comments off

I just finished up my last chapter of homework for my Algebra class. That means that I get to wake up early tomorrow (yes, on a Saturday) and take my last chapter test and my final.

Class is not scheduled to end for another week but the wife and I are leaving on vacation Wednesday night (the night of class) so I have to take my last tests tomorrow. That also meant that I needed to finish all my homework this week instead of having next week to do it.

It does feel good though to be done with it and know that I am just a day away from being completely done with this class. Remember, this is the second semester in a row that I have taken this class so it feels like I have been in it forever.

Next Monday I start my business class so it will be a completely different environment. It will be nice to sit in a class where there is actually something going on and there are other people to interact with.

I will post tomorrow after my tests with the results.

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